. but no such evolution on the issue of o taxes. both boehner and mitch mcconnell said taxes will not go up, period. >> think you're missing the second part of the sentence which is they're willing to consider new revenue. there are lots of ways, excuse the expression, to skin a cat. i thought john boehner was emphatic when he said they're willing to open it with the right framework. thing this is a two-step deal. i think it's too ambitious with too little time to get to the grand bargaining, the so-called lame duck session of the continuation. but i think you can scrape together enough to avoid sigh kwenltd strain. remember, they have to come up with only about $100 bill to set that aside. between spending cuts and loophol loopholes, i think you have to raise that. >> onpodesta, does the magts work, though, which is if you close produkz for the wealthy people, can you raise enough revenue? >> i think that's the fund mental question. >> well, i thnk the -- you know, this baurng the really contentious issue in the campaign. i think the only way do that is to take enough of a bite out of the plan. >>

of taxes. both boehner and mitch mcconnell said taxes will simply not go up, period. >> bu i think you're missing the second part of the sentence which is they're willing to consider new revenue. there are lots of ways, in that old expression, to skin a cat. i thought john boehner the other day was quite emphatic in saying we are open to new revenues under the right framework. dave gergen is absolutely correct. i think this is a two-step deal. i think it's too ambitious with too little time to get to the grand bargain in the so-called lame duck session of the congress. but i think you can scrape together enough to avoid sequestration and avoid the fiscal cliff or fiscal slope. remember, they have to come up with only about $100 billion. i know that sounds weird. but $100 billion to set that aside. between spending cuts and perhaps some loophole closures i think they can raise it. but you can't confuse that with a long-term deal. >> john podesta, does the math work, though, which is if you close deductions for the wealthy people can you raise enough revenue? i think that's the fundament

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